Rules of RCG ????

[init4fun]

 

  Yep , just got a permaban over at RCG for actually having the nerve to advertise this website over there in , of all places , the other websites forum !!!  Mr Jim Bourke has now shown , beyond a shadow of a doubt , that the "rules" of his site ARE a loosely applied joke , and are used for the sole purpose of shutting down any negative press his main sponsor , HK , receives on his site . He hid my post , as leaving it up would clearly display that there WAS nothing wrong or rulebreaking about that post ! I had posted an earlier , hate and profanity laced rant , which my friends and supporters didnt deserve to see the ugly side of , and thats why I modified this post , , , to more clearly describe my issue , and to save my friends the embarassment of me responding to Jim Bourke's unfairness with unbecoming behavior of my own .

  I challenge Jim Bourke to come here and defend his position on banning me for no good reason , as defined in his own rulebook .... Im not exactly holding my breath waiting , as he and I both know the content of that post wasnt against his rules in the least .

  And that , my friends , IS the unfiltered TRUTH !!!!!

[dirtman]

found this gem.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2164822&postcount=8

check the date.

[dirtman]

thought this was interesting too.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2172112&postcount=44
i wonder if they still go through the same trouble to "out" shills?

[init4fun]

 Where to begin ?? , , , ,


  First , I'd like to say that I am happy to have had guys like Noflyzone as friends over at RCG , I realize Ken and others may not have seen eye to eye with him , but i did , and always respected his work with the Newbies . Ditto for the guys of LTUP , who really ARE the only reason I hung aroung RCG for as long as I did . In fact , I'd still be there had I not discovered a couple of ugly truths about the site that made my presence there impossible to reconcile with my morals .

  First problem was the overstated menbership numbers . I kept track , and every banned sockpuppet , spammer , and disgruntled user (like me) who have ever been booted there ARE still counted among the members ! ..... Now , If Bourke is using those numbers to base his ad rates on , , isnt that just totally dishonest ?


  And the Shills !!!!!!!!

  Here i was , happily reading vendor talk , and a recourring theme kept popping up . Some angry , ripped off HK customer would post a rant , and then be instantly set upon by the likes of guys like KCV6 . He and his gang would goad and taunt the already ired poster into making enough angry posts to get banned . Bingo ! no more negative HK threads !!!!!

  Ive since found that Bourke allows these shills full leeway , since , after all , theyre both employess of the same company  (HK) . The funniest gag was the reporting of threads to be moved out of vendor talk and into places like site chat , , SURE , vendor issues belong in the second most dead area of the forum , right ? ..... Anyway , the part that really galled me was that KCV6 would start out pretending to help the angry customer , and when he got just enough info , BANG ! , he'd turn it around to be the poor guy's fault who didnt get what he paid for !!! Saw it time and again , reported the most egarious examples , and was thus marked for banning myself . I knew I'd be banned for bumping those 25 threads to the front page of vendor talk , and I did it to make the point that one only has to go back 6 months to fill the front page with such threads .


   I just couldnt go on as a member of a site so dishonest , , , , , And thats not to even mention the dishonesty of HK fudging the Customs Declaration value of its shipments to the US . They may or may not be using some legal loophole , and they better hope they are , because I hear a little birdie sent notice to the US state department to look into it ..............


  Anyway , Yea , Like mark wood said "Am I init for fun " , , Well , I was , untill i saw the ugly side of RCG , , and now I'll have my fun with more direct model plane activitys , rather than sitting in front of this computer screen all the time .

  Best of Luck to all my friends at RCG , and beware guys like KCV6 , hes not to be trusted , nor any of his other little shills . Do yourselves all a favor when you get a moment or two , , cruise through some of KCV6's hundreds of hobbyking posts , and ask yourselves if all seems right there .

[Admin]

There is no legal loophole, it's just illegal and false.  It's a way of getting a dishonest advantage over the competition.
Currently, all shipments from HobbyKing to Germany are being held and inspected, because of this.
HobbyKing is now using fake packaging to try to get around it.

[Admin]

That's KCV6's deal, attack the customer who got ripped off.

[Admin]

thought this was interesting too.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2172112&postcount=44
i wonder if they still go through the same trouble to "out" shills?

This thread is VERY INTERESTING:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232618

Here you have Mr. Easytiger defending RCgroups?  But then, five years later, he is getting the same treatment that Sal DeFrancisco from Northeast Sailplane got?  Change your tune, Easytiger?

[Easytiger]

Most certainly.  At that time, I had some faith in the administration at RCgroups.  That was, I think, long before all the moderators were fired and Jim Graham put in their place instead.
I have learned better since.

It's funny, I had long forgotten about that...I never defended Sal at NESail, really...I just had a problem with the constant bashing of him.  If I recall correctly, it was, if anything, much worse than any bashing of ME that goes on these days, but I may be misremembering.  I do remember that any time he was mentioned, the same gang would jump on there, and nothing was done about it.  I really felt for Sal.  Particuarly that guy Sarge mentioned in that thread there...this guy had some screwup with a $12 set of wheels, and he just made sure for years after that to bash Sal whenever possible. 
It got to be so common, they made up a word for it: "Salbashing".  It became great sport on RCgroups.
I don't blame Sal for eventually snapping.  He was up against some really bad moderating...but the bashing threads are very entertaining, and get a lot of hits, so I guess RCg is okay with them!
As far as I know, Northeast Sailplane is out of business now.  I can't blame that solely on RCgroups, but I'd guess it was a factor!

[Easytiger]

Initforfun, I was just reading the thread about you on RCgroups, and very saddened.  Been there, done that, watched people bash on me and be unable to answer.  Always tough to watch, and speaks volumes about the people posting.  Even if I hate someone's guts, I'm not going to take shots at them without them being able to answer...it's just ungentlemanly.  Unsportsmanlike.  And cheap!

As far as NoFlyZone goes, his posts about "playing the game" kind of really explain a lot about him. 
Frankly...in my experience....anyone with 20,000 posts on a web board is generally someone to avoid!
As far as rcfreedom.com goes, in spite of saying this many times, it was never, ever owned by me, nor did I have any moderation control over it whatsoever.  It was owned by a guy named JB who ran a company that did oversize trucking, and his girlfriend, who ran a company that did escort cars for oversize truckers.  He still owns it.  I do not think the site is still active.  I left because they could not or would not allow the board to be viewed by guests...which meant that the content was not indexed by google and could not be viewed by the general public.  I did offer to buy the board from them, I offered a couple of hundred bucks, all it was worth to me, but they felt it was worth much much more, which I think was a little delusional!
I do own www.easytigermodels.com/forum and anybody is welcome to register, I do not censor people, all are welcome, they can even come and talk about other vendors' products, it was set up for fun, not just to promote ETM products.
Just want to put that rumor that I own rcfreedom to bed, since I see someone saying that on RCgroups.
Then again, there is a LOT of incorrect content on RCgroups!

[Easytiger]

"I reviewed your use of the site and have decided the users are better off without you. Good bye.

Jim  Bourke"

Just one of the saddest things I have read there.  Shows what you are really worth to them.  I was really sorry to read that.

[init4fun]

  Hi Curtis ,

  Yes sir , the constant bashing of you over at RCG , where you couldnt log on to defend yourself was one of the things that opened my eyes about the site's supposed fairness . After reading YEARS worth of flack aimed at you , allowed by RCG management , it was no surprise that I would not be treated fairly for speaking out about the shills like KCV6 that I kept seeing attack people . In another post , you said it best when you were mentioning how , if they were to come right out and say they wont allow negative talk of site sponsors , at least that would be honest and not hiding behind this supposed "fairness" that turns out to only apply to site sponsors .

  Also , Bourke's response is exactly what I expected from a man who has just had his supposed honesty exposed for the fraud that it is !

  Pay Jim Bourke , and you can say anything about anyone on his site . Challenge this supposed fairness of his , expose it for the farce that it actually is , and dont be surprised when ya get banned for reasons that dont match what his loosely applied "rules" allow .

  Yea , I'll miss certain friends there , , but I can speak with some of em on different forums , , forums that dont force me to compromise MY morals and beleifs every time I log on .

  In closing , I'd like to thank you , Curtis , for your Kind words to me .

[init4fun]

  Oh Yea , , And I almost forgot ......................


  Before I take a day or few break from the forums to tend to some offline dutys , And since I know the folks at RCG are reading this thread , I'd like to lay a little truth out here especially for member Eljimb0 ..................

  The name init4fun was , without any BS , the name I used on RCG . I did start there , as my profile indicated , in 2008 , and never before that had I signed on there with any other name . My friend Leccy called it right when he said the name init4fun was NOBODYS sock , and furthermore , no jim , im NOT still there , and have no intention of going back there . Ive of course been reading my departure thread over there , and when that thread has finally gone cold i'll delete my "favorites" tab for RCG and not bother reading there again .

  Yea , sure , i'll miss conversing with some of the great people there , but that is no reason to return as a sock that no one would know as me anyway . To return as a sock would only serve to further add postcount to a site who's owner I clearly cannot trust , , , Why would I want to add yet another fake member name to his already grossly misrepresented membership list


   So , Eljim , there you have it , , , , at this point ive no reason to mislead you since im not a member there anymore , , and you were dead wrong about anyone who you may have thought i was .

  So , "bad Altitude"
         " bad attitude"

  and anyone else you think I might have been could very well STILL be lurking about that site , , but , , in all truthfulness , , IT AINT ME !!!!!! 

[Admin]

They are making all SORTS of accusations about who is really who over there. Nice people, talking about you knowing you can't answer.
Elgimbo there is the sock puppet king so he figures everyone else must be as dishonest as he is?

[dirtman]

somebody needs to buy this!!
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1491234

[Easytiger]

  Oh Yea , , And I almost forgot ......................


  Before I take a day or few break from the forums to tend to some offline dutys , And since I know the folks at RCG are reading this thread , I'd like to lay a little truth out here especially for member Eljimb0 ..................

  The name init4fun was , without any BS , the name I used on RCG . I did start there , as my profile indicated , in 2008 , and never before that had I signed on there with any other name . My friend Leccy called it right when he said the name init4fun was NOBODYS sock , and furthermore , no jim , im NOT still there , and have no intention of going back there . Ive of course been reading my departure thread over there , and when that thread has finally gone cold i'll delete my "favorites" tab for RCG and not bother reading there again .

  Yea , sure , i'll miss conversing with some of the great people there , but that is no reason to return as a sock that no one would know as me anyway . To return as a sock would only serve to further add postcount to a site who's owner I clearly cannot trust , , , Why would I want to add yet another fake member name to his already grossly misrepresented membership list


   So , Eljim , there you have it , , , , at this point ive no reason to mislead you since im not a member there anymore , , and you were dead wrong about anyone who you may have thought i was .

  So , "bad Altitude"
         " bad attitude"

  and anyone else you think I might have been could very well STILL be lurking about that site , , but , , in all truthfulness , , IT AINT ME !!!!!! 

In my experience, the LTUP forum is pretty bad.  I used to participate, but realized it was not worth it.  I had some people, like ARBO, who are still chasing after me after all these years because of whatever political views I posted.  Honest!
Politics and modelling don't mix well at all.
Here is something else...while you may believe at the moment that that online community is a real community, and really cares for you, my experience has been that they are not REALLY your friends, and those who are banned, well, people don't really care about them at all.  There is no real memory there at all.  Very, very few of those people are actually real friends.  It's depressing, I know, but it's the nature of the internet, you drop to the bottom of the page and fade away.

That guy NoFlyZone, he posted about "playing the game" and such, and to me, that speaks volumes.  To people like him, the online hobby has displaced the actual modelling.  It's all about "winning" online, whatever that is, dominating discussions, getting attention, rather than, well...playing with models!  To me, it's all about models, and online stuff is secondary, but there is a pretty large cadre of people who spend a lot more time talking online than building and flying.  Most often, those are the guys with 20,000 posts.  I hate to say it, but most of the really serious modellers I know, who enter Top Gun and such...they spend very little time online...it's too frustrating to get beaten down by online "experts."
NoFlyZone is what I call a "hall monitor"...a guy who spends an inordinate amount of time policing other people, reporting people, trying to determine what the content of the site should be, and sucking up to the moderators.  He needs to "win" on RCgroups.  Note how all the other forums are crap, only RCG matters, he wants to be King Poster on RCgroups, I guess.  Seen this so many times before.
It's about "the game", not about really cultivating true friendships and modelling.  Kind of sad, in a way, because someday, NoFlyZone himself will be the one thrown away by the community, and nary a soul will remember him...pretty much all these guys end up as bumps on the road.